The Truth About Indian IT Consulting Firms Revealed
By Scholarship for USA on Jan 24, 2009 with Comments 110
“Hello Sunny. This is Yuvraj calling with Indian IT Company. I am calling you today regarding an excellent job opportunity in the IT industry. Do you have to few minutes to talk?” These are the first few lines that you’ll hear when any recruiter from an Indian IT consulting firm calls you to make an unsolicited job offer. If you are an international student and have an even remotely sounding Indian name and are in your Junior or Senior year, you will no doubt have received plenty of calls of the sort mentioned above. So did you get all excited after getting such a call? Who knew getting a job in the United States was so easy. What? $50,000 to $55,00 per year! No prior IT/programming experience necessary! H1B and green card sponsorship! Where do I sign up? This is too good to be true! Hold on. Before you sign up there is something you should know. Read on to know why so many Indian IT consulting firms have sprung up in recent years in cities like New York, New Jersey, Atlanta and Los Angeles and how these companies are exploiting international students through the faulty US immigration system.
The Bait
These IT consulting firms are mostly based out the tri-state region with a few scattered in cities with significant desi (people of Indian origin) populations. They have a handful of employees working in their US offices with the majority of their staff located in India. The companies collect information on international students from the career services department of various US universities. Their recruiters located in India then call up international students with job offers in IT. Students are qualified no matter what their GPA or major is. The recruiters promise salaries in excess of $50,000 per year and sponsorship for H1B and greencard. The IT firm promises to train students on technologies such as Java, .Net, SQL, SAP, data warehousing, Quality Analysis, Business Analysis, etc and then place them in jobs within Fortune 500 companies. Whats more surprising is that these companies guarantee to do all this within two months, even with students that have had absolutely no education in IT/computers. With the US economy at one of its lowest points in a number of years and the job prospects for any new grad getting bleaker by the day, it does not take long for these recruiters to sign up international students to join their company. The recent rule change in OPT that states that international students cannot be unemployed for more than three months while on OPT further helps drive international students looking for jobs to these companies.
Training
Training at one of these companies is a joke. When you walk in you’ll be handed books to study on your own. In most cases someone in India will train you for 30 minutes to an hour everyday through video conferencing. Although this person will be a whiz at Java, SQL, .Net or whatever else that you’ve signed up for, his English will be very limited, thereby making communication very difficult. You’ll be left to your own devices to learn as best as you can using books and the internet. You’ll have relocated by this time to whichever city the consulting firm is located in; which is New Jersey in 90% of the cases. The company will provide you with a room in a guest house which you will be sharing with 6 other consultants and scores of mice and roaches. One positive thing about training at one of these firms is that it is paid by the hour. Expect to be paid anywhere between $7 to $10. However, you will only be paid if your OPT has begun.
Marketing
Once the company determines through exams that you’ve completed your training, they will start marketing your resume to other companies looking to hire IT personnel. How long you take to complete your training really depends on your educational background but it is never within two months as initially promised, even for someone with an IT background. In most cases it takes people five to six months to pass the tests set by the IT firms. Building your resume is where the expertise of your IT company comes in. They will prepare a fake resume for you which will list between five to eight years of experience in the technology that you’ve trained for. They will make you memorize the resume by heart so you can answer any questions related to it during an interview.
Now the next step to getting the job is the phone interview. Once a prospective employer sees your resume, they will want to set up a phone interview with you first. You will be trained on all likely questions before the interview. During the interview, your consulting firm will have people with you listening on to the phone interview. These people will quickly write down answers for you if you get stuck on any technical questions. With all this help, students usually make it through the phone interview after a few failed attempts.
After the prospective employer is satisfied with the phone interview, they will call you for a face to face interview. By this time, you are a very strong candidate and the face to face interview is only a formality.
The job
One might be tempted to ask how these employees with spiced up resumes (no pun intended) do not get caught and continue to work in the industry. After all, they do not have the necessary skills to perform their job duties and surely are found out by their supervisors. I had the same question when I first learned about all this. So I spoke with some friends in the IT industry. I learned that any new employee, no matter how experienced, is not expected to perform right off the bat. They are given two weeks to a month to ease into their new positions. Also, any new IT project takes time to gather momentum. It is during this lull period that these fresh experienced IT consultants learn how to perform their jobs satisfactorily. They do this by mostly studying past projects of the company. This coupled with their training sees them through their first project. After they have successfully completed one project, they pretty much know all there is to know about their chosen technology.
Although at this point, the consultant has a job with a reputed company in the US, he is still formally employed by the Indian IT consulting firm. The firm takes a very large chunk out of the salary of their consultant. The reviews I’ve read about these companies and their practices in regard to paying their employees haven’t really been inspiring. You can read the reviews here and here.
I do not personally recommend taking this route to get a job as this is unethical and may also have legal consequences.
Do you have any experience in dealing with any of these IT consulting firms? Do you think what they are doing is ethical? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
Further reading: The Secret to How International Students Can Work Legally in the United States
Companies that Hire International Students & Sponsor H1B
Email From an Indian IT Consulting Firm
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How the hell international student will find the job in this kind of economy??? You have 3 months to find a job in the OPT, do you think you will be able to find a job? Definately Not!! Knowing or unknowing these people have been helping a international student. Obviously they will take your chunk of money but hey you still get 50 – 55k. It is tuff and work is challenging but Hey ! you get to work in fortune 500 companies. Good experience…..
As for being a ethical or not. These people gets hired because there is a demand for IT people and very limited supply. I believe all the fortune 500 companies knows about these training and stuff but they ignore it because they need them,and anything is ethical when it comes to survival.
Thanks
Raj
Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor
Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Apple – Indian national and former Goldman Sachs board member Rajat Gupta charged with leaking Intel and Apple secrets over the phone.
Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Barclays Bank – UK executive management was corrupted by Shriti Vadera, the Indian-origin economist. His advice led Barclay’s CEO and other execs to rig Libor interest rates.
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
Cisco – destroyed by Indian labor, laid off 55,000 in 2012, going down the drain.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
Dell – call center (closed in India)
Delta call centers (closed in India)
Duke University – Massive scientific fraud by Indian national Dr. Anil Potti discovered in 2012.
Enron, WorldCom, Qwest, and Tyco all hired large numbers of foreign workers from India before their scandals.
Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
Goldman Sachs – Kunil Shah, VP & Managing Director – GS had to be bailed out by US taxpayers for $550 BILLION.
GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
IBM bill collecting system for Austin, TX failed in 2012 written by Indians at IBM
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Intel – Trade secret stolen by Indian national Biswamohan Pani in 2012.
JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
JP Morgan – Outsourced subsidiary & IT integration to India in 2009 for $400 million, lost $2 billion in 2012.
Kodak: Outsourced to India in 2006, filed for bankruptcy in Jan, 2012.
Lehman (Jasjit Bhattal ruined the company. Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
London Olympics 2012 Security – Botched by India’s G4S
Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
MIPS – Taken over by Indian national Sandeep Vij in 2010, being sold off in 2012.
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
Nomura Securities – (In 2011 “struggling to compete on the world stage”). No wonder because Jasjit Bhattal formerly of failed Lehman ran it. See Lehman above.
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
Qantas – See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Reebok – Massive fraud and theft in India second in size only to Satyam fraud
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of New York – Hired Indian-infested CSC in 1998 to build a new system, was 33 months late and $166 million over budget, a cost overrun of 47 percent. And then the system failed. So much for “they can do it better, cheaper, faster”. CSC also holds the sole contract for NC’s Medicaid system redesign. That project is hundreds of millions over budget and years late. India, Inc. is taking its time to maximize the amount it can grift out of America.
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
United – call center (closed in India)
US Navy F-18 jet crashes into Virginia apartment building on 4/6/12 after outsourcing F-18 work to India’s Tata.
Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).
I could post the whole list here but I don’t want to crash any servers.
So u South Indians are corrupting this country like you do back home because of people like you US born Indians like me have hard time getting a job because of stigma attached . If its that hard why not stay back in India .
you stupid moron, what should we international student do……. law maker are fucked in their head. they wanna squeeze us till death….. we are helpless…..even though we are good student
You’re the one who’s a moron. You’re a student, not eligible to work, you came on that basis. & This article is actually true.If you can’t score a proper job maybe it’s because you don’t have any experiences. There’s such thing in America like Internship/Paid Internship Look into that. That’s how these consulting firms work.
Why don’t you go home and build a toilet factory? I hear there is great demand for toilets in India.
So stay back home if you don’t like the laws here don’t try to make USA a third world country bhai.
Rajendra, you raise some very valid questions. It is no doubt very hard for any recent college graduate to find jobs in this economy. These IT companies are definitely fulfilling a need by supplying IT personnel to the industry. I am not completely sure if the Fortune 500 companies are aware of this practice.
Indian consultancy never go for it. I will rather stay in school for 5 years then joining them. I have really bad experience with them. They treat us like a joke.
No place to go for the Pakistani
I am an Indian International student and I totally agree with the fact that Americans and other international students are at a loss due to these consultancies. It’s a shame that people justify faking resumes by saying they have obligations or they pay high tuition fees.Since they decide to go unethical way they truly deserve to be treated like a slave. It’s your life and it was your choice to make it hell. I feel bad for fellow American friends who also are having a hard time in this economy to find jobs. I am having a hard time finding jobs here and I might have to go back to India. But what is so bad about it. I got 5 Desi consultants after my life to join them but I will not join them. An unethical person can not live happily anywhere be it India or US.
GET OUT AND STAY OUT. 28 million US jobs have been DESTROYED since you people came to the US. That is why everyone is having trouble finding jobs now.
Wakjob 28 million jobs destroyed!! But thats a great thing. American people are dumb anyway. All they can do is flip burgers. So why not let the Indians do the work and then send money back home to support domestic growth in India.
If you were educated enough it wouldn’t happened u should read u r history your forefathers did the same
Wakjob, you should be ashamed of yourself. I’m sure your ancestors migrated here to the US at some point in time. Your bigotry will get you nowhere in life, I hope you learn to love people the way you would want your children to be loved.
28 million jobs would not have been lost if American children would get off their TVs, gaming systems, and start working harder in school. What’s embarrassing is that the United States education system is a joke. Kids in China and India are much more educated than American kids, especially when it comes to mathematics and science. Now why is that? Why are those ethnic groups excelling when they live in far worse conditions?
Instead of casting blame, and pointing your fingers at Indians, you should look in the mirror and realize that the problem lies within. American culture is destroying our youth and our potential.
I already know what you will say… “well then go live in India”. I have earned my right to criticize this nation, I’ve fought for this country while in the Marine Corps. So unless you do the same, then your opinion really doesn’t matter to me.
I speak the truth.
Bravo I am very proud of you
This has been going on for a while. At first I thought folks from India are so smart. Well I know some Indians who are very smart but most of them are fakers. I found out one Indian guy had Architecture degree in India from Manipal Institute of technology and he paid 60,000 rupees to train in Oracle ERP in India for like 6 months and then this Indian consulting company brought him here on H1 and now this guys is making 6 figures. So problem is much larger than you guys think. You can shut down all these training places in the US, but believe me, when you live in a country with over 1 billion population, these guys will figure another way out. The problem I see is first US Govt needs to fix this H1 visa thing. Companies milk their employees on H1. They have so much power. Just because of this H1 these fake employers are making so much money. Next thing is companies in US need to remove 5-8 years experience from their job requirements and hire fresh graduates from Universities and train the new employees and all this crap will go away.
My two cents.
I suspect corporate America is racist, because they have a strong preference for a particular group of people, ie Indian, rather than a mix of everybody.
If an Employer hires the best and all of the people turn out to be Indian, that is not racism…
But you are not the best. Back when Americans ran IT and ran the US economy 14 years ago the US economy was BOOMING. Now that you people are running it the US economy is collapsing. CA is bankrupt. 28 million jobs have been lost in the US since you started coming here. In 1998 when we first let you in you said “Don’t worry, we’ll help keep the US economy going and we’ll go home after the Y2K and dot-com booms”. Well did you? No, you didn’t – the US economy has collapsed, 28 million jobs have been lost and you are still here. Everything you touch dies. An OECD study last month found Indians ranked 2nd TO THE LAST IN THE WORLD in math & science. You’re the best? You’re delusional. Indians WANT to be the best but we’ve given you 14 years of chances and you’ve proven you’re not. And now it is time for you to go as you promised in 1998. Go home and try building some toilets instead of pursuing some delusions that you are good enough to keep the US economy going.
And you are arrogant. If you are the best why isn’t the US economy booming?
you Mr. Wakjob or what ever job your are !!!
Watch the documentary below to know the real reasons of the present situation of US.
Inside Job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaQsULpKNQc
“US Companies in US need to remove 5-8 years experience from their job requirements and hire fresh graduates from Universities and train the new employees and all this crap will go away…”
You said it very well. Nobody could say it better than these. And probably for this reason, all those desi companies fake thier candidates resume and those fortune 500 companies actually deserve that (very much).
some one release this fraud to media allover usa this the reason we are not getting jobs because of this indians
OH.MY.GOD.
Thanks for helping to expose the whole H-1B scam. The truth is seeping out in a major grassroots effort, and your site helps. I’ll be posting a link on my blog.
Keep up the good work!!!!
Poland, I completely agree with you. These firms are abusing the H1B visa system by bringing employees over from India with fake resumes. The H1B visa system definitely needs a complete overhaul. For starters, I think that international students who have graduated from US colleges should be given preference during the H1B lottery process. These students have a greater chance of success in the workplace as they are already familiar with the American culture, attitudes, etc. versus someone who has just arrived in the US.
TunnelRat, thanks for your encouragement. Keep checking back for more articles related to international students.
Hi,
Thank you for exposing this practice to the general public. I for 1 have always been against these contractors because it is unfair to those who chose not to take this “short cut”. 2 months of rigorous studying can NEVER equal 8 years of actual experience. This just puts money in undeserving hands.
Underemployment is always harmful to the company as well as the economy (if a lot of it is happening). While potential qualified students are sitting on the sidewalk with their hard earned college degrees, it is disconcerting to see an under qualified poser get your dream job.
We work so hard for each line of text in our resume. All in hopes that some prospective employer may notice it. If he notices a “spiced up resume” of someone else, then all our efforts have been useless?
This is not fair. Rajendra and deep, if you are sitting here bitching about how the economy is down and “how do i feed my kids?” then you got a couple of options:
a> get your lazy shortcut taking asses to the nearest McDonalds or Burger king and start working night shifts. (thts how a lot of us start)
b> go back home. Stop trying to take advantage of a system that looks after its workers. People like you have unfathomable effect on a lot of other people who are part of that system.
c> stop bitching, start studying.
Please dont make other international students look bad.
This is a very touchy issue!!!
The way I see it is international students don’t have a choice! Now don’t get me wrong, I am completely against Indian consultancies abusing the system, but in a way they are introducing international workforce into corporate that won’t hire international students. Say you are at a career job fair giving out your resume- trying to sell yourself and compete with everyone else -given you have the same amount of qualification and education as everyone else in there. Go to an employer and you hear “Oh we don’t sponsor! Sorry.” Hell they wont even talk to you leave alone looking at your resume and considering you for a job. Is that fair? Isn’t that discrimination? Are we (International students) being treated “ethically” and “fairly” by the system? Now, how do internationals get around this is by taking the consultancy route.
Although I completely disagree how Indian consultancies conduct their operations and will never be a part of it. But I’m okay with them doing this unless the system (US Government) does something against employment discrimination WE face everyday!
BTW, I have never researched about these consultancies or ever thought about working for them yet but I’m positive all consultancies aren’t like that. I’m sure there are some good ones out there that are doing the right thing. i.e providing companies with temporary work force!!
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So to break a law is OK according to your ETHIC. It might be OK in India, which is a lawless society, but in the US, we have rules and law. What makes you think that you can come from a foreign country and be treated better than an American? Do you treat foreigners better than Indian in India? You got no job to begin with, no wonder you come here.
There are lots of well qualified candidate right here in the US, why take the chance of mostly fake Indians. It is bad in so many level, these not only take regular American jobs, they also send dollars away from the US.
This should be brought to Congress and made aware to the public.
Yes we treat Foreigners better off than Indian coz we happily accepted English as Official language post Indeependence and we score Full marks in TOEFL learning English from our Indian English teachers Nand NOT American /British teachers as they do in Gulf and China . All this preferential Treatment are from civilsed and Educated western society AND NOT people from Illeterate Muslim and Gulf countries.
Boss,
Y did u forget that most of them were immigrants here at some point of time and what actually happened to the original dwellers. Before talking abt someone, take a look at your history. I don’t want to comment on the practices, but you can’t blame my country as a whole .
Is it really the case that “After they have successfully completed one project, they pretty much know all there is to know about their chosen technology.” and the company where they have been placed thinks they are as equally able as somebody with “five to eight years of experience”?
Either there’s something really wrong with the staff at those companies then if they can’t tell people who can do the job from fakers, or the work can actually be done by someone with just experience of one project under their belt, in which case how could they justify paying the rates that an 8 year experienced professional would want?
I am am Indian who has been burned by one of these Consultancies. Like Pakistan said above, they treat us like a joke. My story started almost exactly like in the article – I went through this two month training & I found it extremely hard since my background is not in IT. I wondered how these companies can even promise to bring anyone up to speed in two months. Then I learned the “secret” I was too naive not to know – they beef up your resumes with fake experience & then help you through the interviews. Moreover, this is not free, they charge you money for it & once you get the job, they underpay you & keep most of what the “fortune 500″ pays them (the consultancy) as your hourly rate. You have no other option but to live with 6 other people in ‘squalor” if you have to survive on that miserable salary. Once I learned this I decided not to go with the consulting firm even though I spent a fortune on this “training”. I would never recommend anyone to go through a consultancy.
The US must enact stricter laws (meaning changes in how the H1B visa program works) that would keep these unscrupulous consultancies in check. These so called “fortune 500″ companies must also take the initiative to check the trustworthiness of a contingent staffing company before hiring temporary staff from such companies (meaning watch out for fake resumes). These consultancies are the ones driving the wages down – which lots of Americans are complaining about. This not only hurts them but also us.
I agree with Poland above to some extent – these fortune 500s must be willing to hire freshers directly & train them themselves rather than ask for “entry level people with 2 years of experience” – this is where the consultant with fake experience starts coming in. As for requiring people with 5 to 8 years or more of experience (this might be because a senior employee quit), they must again be willing to spend time to find a trustworthy job seeker who has some related experience and train them to bring them up to speed with the job requirements. This could go a long way in keeping all these unethical people at bay.
International student not getting job—-is not a concern of the US government. You are our guest, you’re given the privilege to join our school. Technically you’re supposed to return back to your country with the skills and the knowledge that you acquire from us. Bad economy and job market is effecting everybody, not just you. We get to stand on the line first since this is our country. Next thing you know, they will ask for unemployment check.
Dan dude…. Yu think its so easy to let go of job after 4 years of bachelors or 2 yrs of masters… When everyone is getting jobs and u dont coz of being international stdnt but with awesome gpa, it hurts!!! I’d say— if u hv it then do what it takes to get the job… If u r talented u will prove a 10 yrs exp a piece of cake …
Dan Dude,
First, I aint no Indian. Second, Im not asking to be treated better than Americans. Im just not happy with the discrimination international students face when looking for a job. There should atleast be a fair gound to compete on- is that too much to ask after completeing 4 yrs of college? Thats all I want and care about. But the way international students are being treated by some companies because of the system – just dont think its right!!!
I said it before will say it again, I am completely against these Indian consultancies abusing the system and will not get myself involved with them what so ever. And I agree with you(dan) that this matter should be brought to congress and these consultancies should be barred from operation. But, employment discrimination based on status should also be addressed!!!
And OH FYI – I already have a job!
Readin your comment sounds like you are the one without it! lol …
Is it really true they throw 6 people in one room and make fake resumes? WTF!! I always thought these things were exagerations, dont the companies who hire tepms from these consutancies do backgound checks and stuff? How can they lie like that and get away with it?
De
We’ve our own problem. Employment based on color, sex are on the top agenda–international student are down the line. Not that I hate you, you should understand, every country has its own issue. I do agree there should be a system where OPT student can get an easier way out so the time does not get wasted. But that does not justify cheating with resume.
I am not American and i still agree with you to some extent ( i am damn against to break the law and rules). I am an international student what i always thought is by doing MS in US i will gain knowledge and better practical experience. U know to do the MS in my country it costs me max.$300-500, but here in US it costed me $35000.To be frank i learned nothing in US from the so called US university, i learned a lot during my Bachelor’s in my Country. I want to get my money ($35000) back, because the degree is useless. Once i get it i am not going to stay in this country. U know to make $35000 in our country it takes me around 30-40yrs.The worst part is the US degree is not at all useful i can say it is 100% worthless degree thats why i can’t get a job even if i go back straight to my country. At least if i get some experience i will get a job in my country. U Americans pay penny’s for u r education where as Internationals pays thousands of dollars. U guys r getting funding ( not total) through the fees of International students so we expect job opportunity at least for a while.
American education is not here to serve foreign students. Its purpose is to serve corporate America.
In order to serve corporate America to the best of its ability, it will accept the best students it can find, and hope that those students stay after graduation to serve corporate America.
Whether you pay a lot of money for your degree is not their concern. The universities need your money, remember?
Be careful saying “worst part is the US degree is not at all useful i can say it is 100% worthless degree”. I am an international, went school here in United States of America, got a awesome job, quit that job and opened up a company in United States of America. And I am happy. I think the problem with you is the cheating mentality and laziness.
what a baseless arguement. you say our country, being a egalitarian society, laws and all that shit. go trash it first.
let me me ask u a question. what kind of visa status did ur forefathers had when they land to this country. a visa to commit genocide. mr. dan dont blame the governments incompetency to these innconent individuals. today u wont be having the opportunity to bash these immigrants if your forefathers weren’t immigrants. the reason your people came here was to better their life precisely economic opportunity. but if somebody else does it than its wrong. wow what an ethic or we can call ur onesided double standard. i feel proud of these folks cause atleast they are not killing people and claiming the land to be theirs. they are just working hard to earn their living. i remember u said something about american culture. isnt eorking hard an american culture?? grow up the table is about to turn. if u dont like it you can sail back to europe(where ur forefathers came from)
p.s. i’m not an indian…
Dan – Thats what I learnt from speaking with people that have gone through the process. They find that they can complete their tasks after completing one project.
De Mode & Dan – Excellent arguments.
Indian – Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
idk,
Tell me where are you from (if you have the balls) and I’ll find how many people you have killed(What’s up with genocide?).You might be surprised that every civilization has done that sometime in the history. I know you’re not Indian…If going back to the future and quoting history is the display of your intellectual level, then you and me, we all come from Africa, yet you’ve set boundaries. I bet you call your self a proud citizen of some country. why do you think? Don’t be hypocrate. If your neighbour country barge into your territory and take away your job, you guys will be killing each other with machetes, let alone dealing in a civilized way.
Yes hard working is a part of American culture, but not on the expense of lies, fakeness and disrepect of law enforcement. I get a sense you’re used to these words and have grown up in that sort of environment.Sorry.
In my opinion, the US Govt. should create a process for getting Green card like Canada does. Point system. Once someone reaches a minimum of XX points based on education/age/work exp/etc. they qualify for Green card. Once Intl. student has Green card, then there is no problem of finding a job and also being milked by Consulting company.
Right now these consulting companies are harnessing the power of H1 and milking from their fake resume employees. I call this High Tech Prostitution.
I am 100% sure if US Govt. follows Canada’s route to getting permanent residency, then these bottom feeders will start to disappear.
its true, what you have written. americans are losing job because of this. its all true.
i am just a little unhappy with all the hatred i see.
oh, and rajib, nice effort.
Amazing! Foreign students, be aware: American graduates often don’t get jobs here, either. When someone says “We don’t sponsor” that’s just an easy way of saying “no.” If you’d be born here they would often have given you another excuse…mostly that they require X numbers of years of experience in technology Y, which isn’t taught at universities but which is probably taught by the contract agencies.
Also, the American government makes it somewhat difficult to acquire H1-B’s, unless you make it an essential part of your business as the contract agencies do.
Anyway, I’ve been on both sides…I’ve hired H1-B’s and I’ve been replaced by them. I’m blown away by the blatancy of resume faking; I strongly suspected it. Thanks for the info!!!
11 arrested, indicted in multi-state visa fraud operation
All the names below look like Indian names.
Those arrested Wednesday by ICE agents include:
1. Shiva Neeli, arrested in Boston, Mass.; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
2. Ramakrishna Maguluri, arrested in Atlanta, Ga.; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
3. Villiappan Subbaiah, arrested in Dallas, Texas; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
4. Suresh Pola, arrested in Pennsylvania; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
5. Vishnu Reddy, arrested in Los Angeles, Calif.; charged with conspiracy, mail fraud and wire fraud.
6. Chockalingam Palaniappan, arrested in San Jose, Calif.; charged with conspiracy, mail fraud and wire fraud.
7. Vijay Myneni, arrested in San Jose, Calif.; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
8. Venkata Guduru, arrested in New Jersey; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
9. Praveen Andapally, arrested in New Jersey; charged with conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud, and making false statements in an immigration matter.
10. Amit Justa, arrested in New Jersey; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
11. Karambir Yadav, arrested in Louisville, Ky.; charged with conspiracy and mail fraud.
Source: http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/0902/090212desmoines.htm
That’s why when ever I got in contact with the Indian IT guys, they never impressed me. With all this support and wrong-information on the resume, they should be subjected to legal investigation. Chinese are far better in technical know how and should be retained, and these parasites should be out of our country.
KIshwatr Bayns, dan hey dude’s u cant just blame every Indian here in the us ..Man we are spending $35000 for our education .. do you by any chance know how much worth is it in India .. and for your information IIT’s and IIM’s in India are far better institutions not all who come here got to Harvard or Stanford .. At least make things easier for international students who earn their masters here.. well if u have not met an IT person who impresses you try meeting me
And to all desi consultants who bring people from India .. beware your days are numbered.. Make way for educated .. I totally agree.. Companies should stop looking for 7-8 years experience for all IT jobs
Found this review on one of the forums which made sense to me .
here it goes :
“We can go all day, moving blame from Fresh students to desi consulting companies to US immigration policies. I feel that part of the problem lies on the hiring company/client as well. These days, they want to spend 40 dollars per hour for a person with 10 years of exp in Java + dot net + ETL + BO + Mainframe. Client wants that person to work like a superman during the normal business hour (8 AM to 5 PM) and they want the same person to work like a Batman (from 7 PM to 1 AM) with off shore. On weekends he also becomes Spiderman and flies to all corners of the US to support different clients/projects. Now….imagine a combination of Superman+Batman+Spiderman in 40 dollars per hours?? They get a 23 years old guy having 10 years of experience on his resume….through a “fake” consulting company. Who is at fault?
1)The person who faked the resume?
2)The person who tried to sell his resume? Or
3)the entity who wants a combination of Superman, Batman and Spiderman in 40 dollars per hour? ”
I am yet to find an answer!
Well said..Its all about Survival of the fittest….Clients are not dumb, After all these years of consulting, I haven’t see a client who continues to keep a consultant on payroll after he fails to deliver in first week of the job. You deliver, you keep the job. You don’t deliver, you are out of the job. Companies don’t care hiring consultants (whether fake, real, semi fake, truth to the bone..whatever) as long they are helping to meet their project timelines.
The point is …If client companies can run a thorough background check before hiring and improve opportunities for fresh graduates from US universities -
the “fake” are definitely going to be busted.But why are they not doing it?Whats the reason?
they need a superman+spiderman+batman???
AGN, I agree with you. Opportunities need to be improved for fresh graduates from US universities.
So how do US citizens, white folks get a job after college? Do they also fake resume? I don’t see most of them jobless. If that is the case, then every semester thousands of young people who graduate, where do they go? So how come they get jobs in fortune 500 companies? Can someone explain only why Intl student have to fake with 5-6 years & get inside the door? Is is because of H1 or some other thing?
H1B visa has one loop hole wherein, the sponsoring employer can source the aspiring candidate through other recruiting companies to the client company. This happens when the employing body shop doesn’t have a direct account with the client company but has an account with another sourcing company which might have a direct account with the client & has access to contract job openings with the client. There could even be 3 or 4 companies in the chain before the candidate gets to the client. The client may offer $40 an hour for the job, but may not know the candidate has been sourced through 3 other companies by the employing company. The employing company has to share this $40 with the other companies and keep some for their own operating costs before paying the employee/candidate. This is where the candidate’s salary gets diluted down to $10 – $15 an hour. This also provides breeding grounds for the employer to get greedy and mistreat their employees – pay them below minimum wage, not provide them benefits etc.. & the list could go on. The law makers should find ways to plug such loop holes. The client companies must also run background checks & verify references (though this could be faked too) before hiring such people. In my opinion, the candidate who faked the resume, the person who marketed the resume as well as the company who wants Superman for $40 an hour are at fault & the H1B loop holes are adding fuel to the fire…
To those Indians who are ‘feeling the hate’, please let it pass. Those who have worked with Indians know that in general you are nice, generous, thoughtful people just trying to get ahead. I have gone from making fun of your accents (though I speak only 1 language) and not wanting anything to do with Indian food to having my own network of Indian friends and liking to get to an Indian restaurant once a week or so (including tonite!).
The ‘other shoe’ however, is how I feel towards Indians in management at these consulting firms. I don’t know if it’s the caste system incarnate or what but I can honestly say many of the mgt of these firms give used car salesmen competition for greediest and oiliest champions. And I have first hand experience with them passing off unqualified ‘resources’ as product experts. You know why there’s a focus on Fortune 500 companies? Because the projects there are typically so large you could hide a dead body in a project room and bill for it for years and not have anyone notice. One of my customers just let 100 resources go for ethical violations, and they have so many more currently working that they aren’t in a huge hurry to replace them all. I had another customer who had 10 people working on one part of a project for 4 months, and at the end when the work was deemed “junk”, they simply paid the bill, replaced all 10 resources with 10 more, and started over.
These unqualified people wouldn’t last 2 weeks in any small shops but they blend in and hide in the big ones. THAT’S how they get away with it. I work for a software vendor and every week I try to ferret out those who are making my product look bad with shoddy work. And I disagree completely with anyone who thinks after a 6 month project you “know everything you need to about X”. There are best practices for a myriad of things, and getting code to work is very different from getting it to work when it’s stressed, or when it’s to be used as a foundation for repeatability (to name 2 of many, many issues). No, those who squeak by are often times caught when someone who DOES know what they’re doing does a code review/audit.
Sorry for the mini-rant, and here’s to a livable 2009 to us all.
difference between theory and practice, what u learn in books is not what u have to do at a software house.
To Dan:
about Feb 6th: “you’re given the privilege to join our school”
Dan, I highly doubt above comment. Do you know international students pay twice the tuition as of local students? In exchange they receive the same facilities as local students. So, where those extra money goes? My belief is that’s how local students get tuition waivers and lower tuition rates. So this means, if not for those Int’l students, you’ll be paying double tuition and hence you’ll be in more debt in terms of student loans, etc…So my view is, you being privileged to have them here instead of they going to Australia or Canada…So, show some respect for them man…
ken
I agree with the author . He has expressed what he has experienced. Thank you so much for detailing truly about these IT body shoppers ( unfortunately maximum of these are from my country India .) . They have misused the H1-B program for their monetary benefits . They are earning money by wrong means and that should be stopped by US Govt. Why US govt is blind?. These things should be taken very seriously as this is corrupting entire high skill resourcing/program of US.
On a different note, they should had managed this in a true manner ( without bluffing employers/manipulating cvs, hiding taxes, manipulating earnings and all, proper training and everything that is transparent to both employee and employer and even govt.) ). It is always welocome if you are running a business with transparency and you are really taking things on merit basis . I am going to link your article in my blog. Thanks once again to bring all these in public. I always hear all these stuffs but, you have put real exp . All the best.
Chandra
Why can’t that idiot Rajendra learn English first and THEN post here? Most of the so-called Indian Consultants have such poor English skills that after talking with them, one would forget their own English. And what’s with the accent??? HORRIBLE! I think first of all, they should shut down these money grubbing consulting firms, ALL OF THEM! And then DENY H1-B visas to people coming in DIRECTLY from India. For those who came here to study on an F-1 visa, if they need a H1-B, put them through a rigorous test of English in which pass marks are very high. This will weed out the men from the boys and girls or in-betweens! And then give them an H1-B Visa that is no more restricted than a green card. The more a person on H1-B visa works, the better it is for the economy. Or did the stupid politicians in the White House forget that? If there are no more restrictions for H1-B visa holders that had come to US on an F-1 visa with the proper English skills, they should be allowed to work in USA UNRESTRICTED and ANYWHERE they want. Otherwise the only people suffering would be……..AMERICANS!
Get me bub? Or do you want me to go into a berserker rage? NYAAH!
I agree substantially to the comments posted above, most of them being Anti-Outsourcing , Anti-Indian-Techie, since I believe that Asians, primarily Indians have left no stone unturned to sully their reputation abroad. I current work in a Biz-development support role at one of India’s top 5 IT/telecom solutions provider.What I see here is utter disregard to Human capital(Intellectual capital) and lack of empathy for jobs dispaced abroad( North America + Eurozone).Well educated and smart individuals are made to work 12-14 hours/day offshore , and penny cheap rates and frauds like nandan nilekani(and other CXO’s) talk about E2E consulting and ‘moving up the value chain’ for the Big 5, Indian vendors. Let me tell you this is all hogwash.Forget about misnomers like ‘value chain’ & ‘consulting’, what we offer here is pure play coding/support and maintenance/ body shopping services at dirt cheap rates and no wonder, there is a rising resentment in North America and other developed economies against porting of jobs to cheaper location. Well I can tell you , today its India/china , tomorrow it will be Africa/latin America/East Asia, there is no stop to this Outsourcing, becoz if you take the cost arbitrage into account, its significant and Local people in countries from where this work come from(NA/EUROPE) DO NOT STAND a chance. Dont take quality as a factor here at all, since project ported in the name of outsourcing, do not higly skilled people or are Qualitative tasks. The only solution to this Outsourcing menace, is just as in case of the Financial turmoil, where in The G-20 put co-ordinated measures to inject credit through IMF,WB, likewise the Major nations around the world should put up a blanket ban on outsourcing. This will bring all companies that outsource on the same level, without anyone getting toe cost benefits of outsourcing, and hence the game starts there on equal footing. I, inspite of being an Indian IT kid, am proposing this step(although against free market principle) is because I want the intellectual capital of my country to be better utilized for High-end R&D, manufacturing and not loiter in the wastelands of Wipro/Infy/tcs.
FYI:The likes of EDS,Accenture, IBM are also in the same boat as far as their Outsourcing operations in India are concerned.
GUYS STOP THIS CRAP! Indians are unethical, not all of course. They are hungry for money. They devour each other. No nationalism!
I am Indian!
Hello all,
alright what can a guy like me say about this scam!!!
i have a masters in MIS and i’m working @ a restaurant! ( knowing that i used this route to get an H1B )
i got the approval but the guys ( the dosi ) just plainly ignore every single request that i make! ( can i get the original documents to get a driver’s license?…. Silence )
( what’s going on are you marketing us?… Silence )
it basically boils down to you marketing yourself or go back home or commit suicide who cares… as long as they got their money!
i seriously never felt so dehumanized, it’s like they treat you like not even an animal, nor dirt it’s like you’re a subhuman not even there!
they’ll be nice to you when you’re about to write the check to them… and that’s about the last smile you’ll see on their face
Sincerely,
Adnane,
PS: if you’re in the VA area or WV do NOT, i repeat DO absofreakenlutely NOT go to Digiblitz technologies or American Federal Solutions Inc
There is another Scam which is very hot Nowadays from the same type of people and it is called “IT TRAINING”. First a free IT Training is offered, then the consulting company or their affiliates ask for a security deposit i.e $1500.00, which they promise to return when they send the trainee on the first IT project.To lure the target trainee they promise that they will provide help for the resume, the interview and they will also provide support during the IT Project (which never starts).
The location of such IT Trainings is usually the conference room or a common room in the building where the consulting company is located and the classes are conducted on weekends.
This is pretty pathetic. In response to some posts, the Fortune 500 companies do hire fresh graduates through their new associate training programs and provide them quality training for 3-6 months while paying salaries. The catch is they have only limited vacancies and they recruit only from selected colleges.
The market these phony consulting firms and fake consultants are exploiting is the experienced consultancy. Companies often need short term consultants for completing projects. More than the congress or government, it is the American companies who have to wake up and learn about these unethical practices from these consultants. They often have Indian managers who deal with such consulting firms. There is rampant nepotism and even kick backs between these Indian managers and consulting firms. I think American companies and people are often very naive about such practices which is very common in India.
This will not sustain and in the long run will only hurt India because this is creating a very bad reputation for Indian IT professionals. It is not only Indian but Chinese are also involved in similar practices, if that makes it look any better.
Hi Americans,
You guys are tolerant toward everyone and most importantly taught everyone THE way to live and let live. I’m an Indian on H1B and appreciate everything you did to this world, to India, to me. So I’m leaving the USA for good because I see so much anger, frustration from the Americans and I totally understand .. it’s your land and your opportunity. Here’s my short story … I’m came to the USA on F1 student visa about 3.5 years ago. I spent 30000 US dollars per year as a student for 2 years = 60000 dollars (I borrowed from Indian banks). Then I landed a decent paying job $4000 a month .. so in 1.5 years = $60000 but minus taxes = $40000 for 1.5 years. I bought a house here for 300,000 (borrowed money from Indian banks). After seeing so much rage and frustration from Americans I submitted my resignation this week and am about to leave your wonderful country in about 1 month.
Although, the house I own is worth about 270,000 today … I would be selling it at 230,000 just so an american would benefit .. I’m doing it as gratitude for what I have learnt. I mentioned all the money here because I believe in transparency and want to make sure I haven’t taken away anything from you guys who taught me a lot .. I mean a lot.
Once I’m back in my country I ain’t going to start a company to get offsourced work … I will instead be a professor and teach young minds in India how to be innovative, resourceful within there jurisdiction.
I apologize on behalf of many Indians who have spoken back to you guys rather unkindly in this discussion and elsewhere. We definitely cannot tell you what to do … it’s your land .. it’s your will.
But there is one thing I personally like to do as a human, i.e., help this world not just India or some particular country. I see planet earth as one .. so I’m going to travel around the globe (mainly poor cuntries) and teach the young minds how to do things right and give them some trends and wisdom I think I have got from you wonderful people. I think we all in the world can be happy if population is regulated, which is what I’ll emphasize when I travel.
Msg to Indians: Please don’t get angered by what I have written. Please don’t think I’m a kissAss here … I like everyone in this world .. NO separation and NO segregation. I request Indians and others ..don’t fight with anybody in this world because everyone’s a friend.
Everybody please think/look from a different perpective and for angered Indians especially after this above read. Well, imagine if today most of us went back returning americans what they have lost … don’t you think they will help us later in developing our own place? I’m sure they will. Americans I’m not asking for money here but rather knowledge that you have acquired .. I’m sure you will be willing to share and we would from there. This way the world will be better. Like Wikipedia founder rightly said ” the world is the sum of all human knowledge”.
Let us all put an end to proving that I’m richer than that person or country .. let us treat ourself as ONE entity and help each other to make the entire planet uniform. Are you with me guys??
Adios America.
Indians, Americans, Latinas, Africans, Armenians, Pakistanis, Middle east, French,British, Australians, Asians and others.
Stay good … Stay innovative. Please share:)
Thank you
Thanks for sharing your story. I am sure people will agree with your message of peace and understanding.
My IT experience was been primarily in contracting at Microsoft. I’m so frustrated with these Indian contract agencies and their recruiters. I just got off the phone with on and she made no attempt at all to speak clear and understandable English. She also didn’t have a clue about what the responsibilities and technologies of the position she had contacted me about. She was arrogant and snotty. I have worked with these Indian agencies in past positions and it is a hard fact that Indian people – in general – live a life of deception without honor. They have no ethics and if their lips are moving they are lying.
Sean, you are funny and it is true what you mentioned. I have heard that even dead indian makes fortune by selling lies.
This website is completely Fraud.
Bring this website down. This is bullshit. How can someone say anything what they want.
Who created this website??
Please don’t join this ALTUS TECHNOLOGIES INC. They are not at all professional and will not do your H1B processing on time. Pay
checks and pay stubs are also not delivered on time.
There is no dedicated HR person, one man runs the whole show.
Pay checks are never received on time.
Sumamry – Go back to india rather than working for them.
I have been working with Altus Technologies for over 6months now and the best part is after the completion of my masters I have undergone training with these guys.
Not only the training was excellent, but unlike my other fellow OPT guys who are on the look out for a full time position and wasted enough of their OPT period now looking out for consulting firms to join are treated in a pathetic way as the consulting firms promised them sky and when the actual show time of payment and other stuff came into scene. They would just ignore these people so badly.
Thankfully! i never faced any such situation from Altus and the marketing staff know what am good at, so they look out for projects which they think I would fit in the bill.
So.. you guys deleted unwanted postings.. Good. But you know what, whoever is the Admin of this website, either he does not have sense or he does not know how to maintain a website.
I mean anybody can post some crap. And you guys are accepting it. Just blindly posting the comments without even validating it.
You guys lost your mind or what?
I have had some really bad experiences with these Desi consulting firms. My H1B was filed and approved by one of the desi consultancies. They promised a project in US so I went back to India for my H1B stamping (Prior to this I was living with my spouse). When I was supposed to travel back after stamping, they told me that there are no projects. I came back to US on H4 (dependent visa). Its been 8 months now, the consultancy who had filed for my H1B is no more searching for a project for me. So I decided to post my profile on job sites. I did that a couple of months ago. In a few days a different desi consultancy calls me up. They have an opening matching my profile, but when I don’t agree to pay for H1B filing and premium processing fees, the recruiter tells me that “You will never get a job on H1B if you don’t go through consultancies. You need to pay money.” I just tell him that I am not interested in dealing with such consultancies. I have around 5 years of experience in working with top MNCs in India. But these consultancies treat you like a garbage just because you don’t have a job. Thanks for posting this. We should do something about this. The worst part is, I know so many people who have a job and working in this way. Its a joke to be honest when people with fake experience are getting jobs.
First of all, American are having trouble finding jobs. We would be happy to have all international students,etc go back to their countries and let us feed our own people
I know almost all employee work under Indian IT consulting firm and they are the one who sponsers H1B visa. Now because of strict H1B visa rules these consulting firm are not able to apply. So those who are interested to come US ther are not getting sponsorship. Do you think apart from these consulting companies any one will apply H1B for you. Remember You got your H1B because of these consulstancy and you should be thank full to them. How can you blame on them. During the recession time if projects are not available what they can do for you. Don’t be selfish as its desi company only woh sponsered your H1B otherwise you wouldn’t have got it.
I know lot of training centre in south india. Guys takes courses frm there prepares a fake CV and are easily getting H1B. No matters how good in technical these people are easily getting job because of desi consulstancy.Because of these people manay deserving candidate not getting chance to work in US. So its the time to find out all fake CV and fire them from US so that atleast one country in the world wll be neat and clean from fakers.
!!!UPDATE!!!
Well, i left America, and got back to my country ( MOROCCO ), only to get more Rejection LOL and getting replies from ignorant haters who think that just because the american economy is down, the american education is worthless!!!
the Desi is happy that i left the states, well one less consultant to care about, they never had the intention of marketing my resume or getting me projects, they just took the money got me an h1 and said… HERE’s your H1… BYE!!!
So, with a lil step back, should companies like this do whatever they want? take your money and run away? shouldn’t justice be served?
I say this, and i’ll say it again, i was an international student, i understand that the economy is down and i’d be the 1st one to say “Yes! americans first.”, but everyone has got to make a living!
now the 2nd alternative in my opinion, is to create a blacklist, and keep that blacklist up to date, of companies NOT to join! that way everyone will know it’s a scam.
I really feel bad for those guys who use and abuse someone’s condition and situation.
In addition to Joe’s list,
Mr Vijay goddla, of lumin group, got arrested last week for fraud and tax corruption. lumin group is blacklisted.
I am an Indian from India. I have an actual real experience of 10 years. I came to US 5 years ago on an H1 through a reputable Indian company with a very decent salary and no fake experience. I worked in India for 5 years before coming here. I have worked hard here, learned a lot, worked my way up, given lots of phone and face-to-face interviews. I failed in some but I excelled in some but I never lied. Now I have a good job, permanent residency and a family. But it burns my heart when I see young Indian graduates fresh out of college coming out and competing for the same positions as my peers and asking for half the salary. Understand that people with more experience, also have more expenses, they have a family to support etc. They cannot compete with the low rates these fake candidates ask for. Besides this is unfair to all the people who have worked hard all these years and really earned what they are getting now.
The H1 system is a good system but with flaws:
1. All H1 should have a strong background check done, verifying the experience, education and the age. I understand there shouldn’t be any age discrimination, but how can a 23 year old have 10 years of experience?!!! This needs to be checked.
2. There should be a in-person technical and aptitude test conducted for all H1 candidates by an independent agency to determine if they are really fit for a job. Kind of a certification.
3. If a candidate has below 3-5 years of experience, companies should be allowed to hire an H1 only if they will directly employ them (no client side consulting).
My two cents. It seems integrity doesn’t matter any more and companies just care about saving money on a quarterly basis. The quality of work of an experienced person will be way above than a faker, so the company will be saving money in the long run. But all they care about is quarterly results. Just get the work done somehow at the lowest possible cost. That’s why everything in US is now made in China, and we are their largest debtors. Sad.
How do you report these companies? Education has lost its value with these fake consultants all around
I came across this blog while I was searching ‘Whom to report about the fraud consultancies’.
I see lot many people out there feel the same way as how I feel. I did my higher studies at UK and have been working in IT for more than a decade. To my utter dismay I have seen the maximum exploitation at US job market from these Indian companies. Instead of discussing among us why can not we join hands and do something to curb this kind of scam so that all will be free from stress?
I used to admire the Indian culture but I am sick of the lying and stealing. Being an International student does not mean we want you here on a perm basis. You are here to get an education and go back and fix your own shithole country. I was in Delhi recently. Worst place on earth. If I was Indian I would shoot myself. Intead you come here and lie and cheat. Resumes are floating saying you worked from me. I now refuse to hire an Indian and get physically ill when I see their head bobbing yeh-yeah no problem mannerisms. Go the hell home and take the smell and stupidity with you
yes inorder to survive the indians can do any amount of fraud. there is no ethics
and full of cunnings and they can change their date of birth and giving fake degree certificate. so many indians are like that only. ofcourse some indians really good.
but iam writing in general. so it is difficult to change the mentality of the indians.
only god can hange theirattitude.
i know lot of thai people too..sell their body in order to live….good one sobana…i have stayed in thailand for 4 years and i know u guys pretty well
Many shameless Indians have spoiled not only US job market but other countries also giving false education and experience certificates. Many illegal Indian immigrnats were arrested in Philippines and thousands of illegal Indian immigrants were paraded on nstreets in Thailand. Even if they are killed or raped they don’t want to return to their nasty India. Earlier we used to be proud of only one thing about India and that was culture. Now, that is totally gone after this anti national fellow became Prime Minister of India.
first thing,
U american have no technical background, we international student study hard to make our dream come true. I dont know if this is true , but if it is whats a prob in there if someone gets placed for good job..dude if indians, chinese or international student wouldnt be here ur IT industry wont be able to do anything, u guys r always in to drugs, drinking, never focus on ur career so international student take this opportunity…whats wrong in there…u morons…u work hard for everything to achieve sucess in life what so ever it is…we dont live on unemployment benefits, we love to work hard and contribute something and earn some money as simple as that…..
i an indian american and graduated college with a degree in economics 5 years ago, wanted to pursue my MBA but too expensive for me and wanted to get a job at a company who will help me pay for it as i work for them. out of college i couldnt get a job going with my education i had to work in retail sell stuff and be a manager at a retail store. I knew about these companies then and I always told myself i will never do such a thing even though most of the people around me were doing it. The place where i was a manager had to close down and now i was without a job so i started going to school for MBA but couldnt afford it for very long( i am scared to take out student loans), will bein debt all my life….then i came accross my buddies from college who are doing pretty well for themselves and i was convinced to get into consulting as well. i wont really recommend this for anyone. all they do is get you into a company and leave u there and then it is a game, how long does it take for the company to figure you out. i dont know if it is right or wrong but it is something that hopefully helps me and it seems it has been helping people for a very long time.
I came to this country in late 80s as an expert to a small company to create product (not consulting) for a large computer company. I was hired because I possessed unique skill set that was needed by the company. A year later after successful delivery of the product for which I was the lead with one local assistant, the company hired me. I didn’t come here to study – came here because there was shortage of skilled software engineers.
I agree that the government should change the law for H1B so that sourcing of H1B candidates from other companies is not allowed. An Alternative would be to put limit say 10% on non-citizens that could be hired by a company. I have rejected many Indian candidates after interview that were not competent and were being pushed by body-shop companies. If you find an expert for face to face interview then you will be able to filter these fake candidates and black list the company that supplies them. US need to strengthen law enforcement in this area.
As far as competent software engineer from India is concerned, there are plenty. You need to find them. You should know what to look far. I have created many products in US that helped improve productivity of employees here and generated revenue from export.
Don’t bash every Indian. Don’t be victim of biases. Good and bad people are everywhere.
I am a 47yr old native Californian and engineering technician that likes Indian people. They are not disruptive to our culture and make California a better place to live. I find them hard working and like their family values, their food is good too. I hope we get more of the smart and moral Indians and less of the dumb and immoral ones:)
This article is very true and quite accurate. I know of such companies here in NJ but some are better than others when it comes to guest house and training. Some have more comprehensive training programs in the US given by their own consultants who have been working on a few projects and are pro’s now. They basically transfer knowledge to the fresh recruits.
What’s sad is that I feel the big Fortune 500’s know about this and so does immigration but they don’t care. As long as the job gets done and someone is making money everyone is happy.
When they get these new International students (VICTIMS) on board with a H1 they market them for a very low rate that no G.C/Citizen will work for. In this way the end client is happy and the consulting firm is making a good commission off them.
My advice to International students is be smart. Do what you have to do to get your H1, once you have done one project with a firm like this, just jump the company, that’s what most consultants do. Find a better paying consulting firm. You are not bonded or slave labor, you have every right to transfer your H1 to another firm. Don’t even tell your current employer, just kick them in the ass once you are done with them and don’t make any contact with them. They will give you all kinds of EMPTY Threats that will never stand up in a court of law.
You don’t need to inform them that you are leaving or have transferred your H1, just leave. They deserve it.
If they really bother you by sending many emails, just tell them if you dont stop I will REPORT YOU TO HOME LAND SECURITY ! they will stop right away.
I am someone who has joined these consulting companies and still involved with one of them. The one’s I joined are involved in a lot of lies but both are good in one area. Once on a job they pay you the agreed amount without fail. Trust me with 50% of these consulting companies even getting your paycheck while on a job is difficult. My earlier roomie used to get paid 3 months late (Jan paycheck in april) and sometimes didnt get it. To change this scenario of fake consultants there are a few ways. Laws dont need to change, they are already in place but people are breaking them since its extremely difficult to catch the culprits. Companies have to understand that you dont need people with 10 years experience to do something which a person with 1-2 yrs experience can do. They ask for ridiculous amount of experience which I am 100% sure would remain unfulfilled if everyone is genuine. If this does not change I dont see any major change in the consulting world in the near future. I started with a fake exp of 5 yrs but now I have worked for 4 years and last years have been in an extremely good client site. Even now I find it extremely hard to find positions that are looking for people with 3-4 yrs experience. I am aware US is not there to feed foreigners but one has to understand what people go through to get here. Once they do that people do anything and everything to stay and earn here. People who are lucky get hired by the client or by some bigger cleaner consulting company like IBM, Deloitte etc. I am still waiting for that to happen to me.
Everything that was said about these consulting companies are true. They keep 10 – 15 people in one big house with 4 rooms and sometimes 5-6 people in 1 BHK apts. Nowadays they dont pay a single penny during the fake 2 month training (although have heard some companies pay for grocery). They provide the material for training and its upto the consultant to train him/her self. Once at the client side the consultant manages somehow to get through the initial period. I remember the time when I had to dial into a conference call the first time, I looked so stupid. Although this fake consulting business is not a correct thing, both legally and morally I dont see this scenario changing unless these big companies change themselves.
Honest Opinion at my end.
First of all this business is illegal agreed. 2nd: US government does put lot of contraints to indians. First: Indians are not qualified for green-card because of overpopulation of them in the USA already.
3rd when we come to USA for education we have mindset that we want to do something for our parents. Give them also money at the same time living here. Plus 90% indians have loans that they need to pay back in their country. Now OPT has 3 months. No one hires anyone without networking. The honest truth. Networking or experience. Gotta have something. To some extend these consultancy helps International student. Okay they fake your resume and the projects are hard for you to tackle. but after sometime you get used to the industry. you know what is right and wrong. All you need is starting point.
I would say use two months of OPT to find job on your behalf. if not then go for them.
So, assuming survival of the fittest everything is fair. Because we international students sacrifice so much to come to the USA. we believe that this is the country of fortune. So it is. but if you dont get anything. Seriously. you will be shattered.
Just another desi junk yard, which sucks blood of its consultants, the owner himself an H1B worker from Company RapidIT. Currently sitting in a big flush apartment in India and running this junk yard. All there resumes are fake, office is fake and promises are fake. Will never recommend any one, to join.
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Only-Consulting/838138_Review.htm
I am an Indian international student and I feel that these consultancies are wrong in what they do. It’s a dirty process that screws over the honest american kids. We have very little right to come out here and claim poverty in order to get a job. There is nothing ethically correct about this whole thing. You feel like you just sold yourself to the mafia and you’re whoring yourself out just for the money. We all just need an entry point but this is corrupt. Everyone should be given a fair chance; not hustle your way into the job market. People don’t want to go back to India because the pay isn’t as good so they feel like they’ve forced their way into this mess. If you stop to think, this is how girls become prostitutes, you work with deceit. I’m sad to say that my county is filled with liars and thieves, we’re not smart, we’re just cunning. Some day I hope that the government would stop playing dumb and fix this mess. The job market is inflated with resumes to match requirements that have been set by companies to filter out the trash. Corporations are so huge that they dont care about the small picture stuff, just the holistic view shows that they’re functioning correctly. On a broader perspective, the rest of the country is getting messed up with unemployment.
This is truly unethical, what these indian consultancy companies are doing. What is USCIS doing? They are responsible to have these happen. Why they are allowing these illegal acititivies to take place. Not only they are and have jepordized the added economy, but added illegal people in the country, those don’t deserve to be where they are.
We had 3 of our friends go through these companies, telling them to fake the resume totally different qualification that is not the person graduated in. And they – Addon technolgy, said we will write the letter for immigration and you get here?
I mean unethical YEA, O YEA – Anjenyap as well, Elocus are some of the companies we learned about, they do wrong flooding people from international countries and take away the opportunities form the genunie USA residents to have job. CAN ANY ONE DO ANY THING ABOUT THIS?
IT America based on New Jersey provides 2 months training to people from all field including biology and gives there phone interviews too. 24 year people having 8 years experience. They put 4 people in a room. They are fraud. THey should be reported.
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The fact is that US rests on Indian shoulders and it pisses off many americans and I say no more but lemme add
Be it the IT projects US outsources to India or Indians working in IT sector in US, be it Indian doctors, engineers, professors leading the front in US’s technological supremacy, its all Indian paint on the flag of USA.
I worked with such a company out in Poway, CA. Don’t waste your time with these companies. It will always come back to haunt you later.
International students are sponsored by their parents and families. If they can not afford the us education, ’cause they have bogus sponsorship papers, then they should go back to their country.
International students from rich families always go back to their countries.
all this Indian IT Consulting Firms should be banned from us sponsoring H1B report to media
I am an Indian international student .. I know how tough it is to get a job after masters for internationals. if you don;t get a job within 3 months of your graduation, you are out of status… WTF .. so what do you want them to do .. stay in university and keep spending on a worthless degree until they find a 40k/job by chance ??? …. 40k job also doesn’t qualify for H1 as it is below the highly skilled salary cap ..which would be above 55k-60k … immigration is a joke.
Definitely we are not talking here why GM or AIG or any financial or automobile company collapsed as everybody knows because of wrong us economic policies. I still criticize frauds by CEOs from any origin.
fake resume? when I landed in US I had 2 years of good experience in the area of technology i was working. I opposed my employer not to fake my experience as I thought I had enough to perform my job well but you know the requirements are making us to do it here. I don’t interstage why was this so easy here in us as opposed to India where we can’t add even a line which we don’t know about. I am not recommending you all to do the same but we all have to find ways to get through the times so use your heads and don’t waste time in reading and writing on such forums and spreading hatred. Ethics can be discussed only after we reach past the survival game.
The fake-resume staffing firms have a methodical work plan. I have documented my experience with one such firm and also uploaded samples of the fake resumes that they used.
http://crazymotts.blogspot.in/2013/03/flexi-staffing-in-united-states-fake.html
I sincerely hope innocent people do not get scammed by these staffing firms…They promise h1b and green card and in the process take advantage all the despearte international who are looking for a job in the United States.
Thanks.
Ive been working with Indian counsultants for years. Some are good most are bad. They lie about their experience and then leach off colleagues to stay afloat. Most people don’t want to turn in a coworker so they manage to keep there job.
I generally use these rule. They have about half the experience they say they have. They will take 2 to 3 times longer to do the job as anyone else. If they have a bachelors then it is the equivalent of a US high school degree. If they have a masters it is like having someone with a bachelors. Regardless of the country the defrees were obtained. For sone reason the critical thinking skills are not there. Never allow to work alone they will slack and must be constantly monitored.
Obviously there are some exceptions, but this is sadly true…